Discussion:
Speed control surprise!
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David Richfield
2009-05-02 21:00:10 UTC
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Surprise 1:

I'd been skating regularly on the level, and moved into a hillier
area. I was not at all prepared for the out-of-control feeling on my
first serious downhill! Luckily there were no cars on the cross-road,
and there was a broad cul-de-sac at the bottom where I could make a
large skidding turn. Whew!

Lesson:

I learned to control my speed by more aggressive slalom turns and by T-
stops.

Surprise 2:

I'd started skating to work and back, and figured I'd better buy new
wheels. These were hard (84 durometer hardness IIRC) racing-profile
wheels. When I decided to replace my softer, by now rather round and
flat, wheels, I came down the downhill on the way home and *once
again* lost speed control! I could turn into an uphill road, but
where I could usually go onto the sidewalk, this was the day they
decided to dig up the sidewalk, so I was skating with the traffic. No
collisions, fortunately, but I seriously overshot my normal turn-off
on the way up.

Lesson:

I bought a helmet and pads. Dropping to your knees is supposedly a
good last-ditch stopping maneuver, and I'm also using them while
practising my power-slide techniques. I haven't had the guts to
commit to a proper power-slide without protection, but with the gear
on, I'm a bit more comfortable falling!
John Doe
2009-05-04 02:42:40 UTC
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Post by David Richfield
I'd been skating regularly on the level, and moved into a hillier
area. I was not at all prepared for the out-of-control feeling on
my first serious downhill!
For street skating, speed control is probably one of the major
factors that separates good skaters from injured non-skaters or dead
skaters.
Post by David Richfield
I learned to control my speed by more aggressive slalom turns and
by T- stops.
In my opinion, most of it is attitude. You simply must control your
speed.

The method is secondary. One breaking method I use is like a reverse
push. I guess it could be called a stepping stop, but my skates do
not come off the ground, and they roll after being put down in front
with each step. It might look dorky, but it works.
Post by David Richfield
I bought a helmet and pads. Dropping to your knees is supposedly
a good last-ditch stopping maneuver, and I'm also using them while
practising my power-slide techniques. I haven't had the guts to
commit to a proper power-slide without protection, but with the
gear on, I'm a bit more comfortable falling!
Eventually, hopefully without being seriously hurt, you will
probably come to the realization that avoiding an emergency
situation is better than any emergency stopping method.

In other words... Wear protective gear and maintain control when
skating among motor vehicles.

Good luck and have fun.
--
Big front wheel skates (144 mm front wheel, four 80 mm trailing
wheels). Great for street skating, especially when you do not always
know the terrain.
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B Fuhrmann
2009-05-04 15:38:39 UTC
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"David Richfield" wrote ...
Post by David Richfield
I'd been skating regularly on the level, and moved into a hillier
area. I was not at all prepared for the out-of-control feeling on my
first serious downhill! Luckily there were no cars on the cross-road,
and there was a broad cul-de-sac at the bottom where I could make a
large skidding turn. Whew!
I learned to control my speed by more aggressive slalom turns and by T-
stops.
Slallom turns are a poor speed control measure.
T stops are a better method but are hard on the wheels.

Do you have a heel brake or a good reason to ditch it?
It is the most effective method of speed control and costs much less to
replace than wheels.
Agressive skating, freestyle skating, and roller hockey are great reasons to
ditch the heel brake because they have a serious risk of limiting your
ability to do the manuevers or getting tripped by the brake.
Ignore the people who say you cannot do crossovers with a brake. I have
13.5" frames and can do them with the brake on the skates.
Almost all other skaters that remove the brake are doing it for image
reasons. Image is a poor reason to ditch your best speed control method.

If you really don't want to use the best system, there are a couple of other
tools you should have in your repertoire:

Lunge turn: A really sharp parallel turn, almost a hockey stop. You can
turn back uphill in a relatively narrow area. The turn scrubbs off speed
using the friction of the wheels in the turn and going back uphill kills off
even more.

Grass stop:
Scissors your feet.
Move your weight over the back foot
Move each foots weight to the heels
Roll off onto slower surface.
This also works great for going over "unskateable" surfaces like gravel road
crossings. If you have a lot of speed, you can cross the road completely
and start striding on the other side.

Ignore the stepping stop and snow plow. They are some of the least
effective methods of slowing, slightly better than standing up with your
arms out.
I have had to help (IE they come up behind me and I brake for both people)
with even experianced skaters who do a stepping stop.

Learn how fast you can slow down or stop with your better methods and start
controlling your speed below that one. This is easier said than done. Some
intermediate hills will let your speed sneak up on you and you still have to
end up bailing out.

If you have a hill that you can bomb safely, work on how fast you can slow
down on it and checking our the maximum speed you can do without bailing
out. Scarey.
Post by David Richfield
I bought a helmet and pads. Dropping to your knees is supposedly a
good last-ditch stopping maneuver, and I'm also using them while
practising my power-slide techniques. I haven't had the guts to
commit to a proper power-slide without protection, but with the gear
on, I'm a bit more comfortable falling!
If you can pull it off well and have very good fitting knee pads, dropping
onto your toes, knees, and wrists can work but is actually difficult. One
of the good skaters at the Great EsSkate (www.thegreatesskate.com) this year
had a knee pad slip when he hit a surprise in the road. I think it took
about 14 stitches to return the torn flap back into it's proper position
over his kneecap and he had an immobilizing splint (to keep the knee from
moving and tearing out the stitches) for the last day. No more skating for
him for a while.

My personal preference IF ALL ELSE FAILS is to start a body twist with my
shoulders so that I am rolling sideways when I hit the pavement (haven't had
to use that for quite a few years now). It avoids having any part with deep
abrasions and moves me away from traffic.

---

Work on your skills and become one of the people that other skaters look at
and say "he can skate anywhere".
--
Bill Fuhrmann

P.S. If you are ever in the Minneapolis - St. Paul area, feel free to skate
with our groups.
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John Doe
2009-05-04 17:02:10 UTC
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"B Fuhrmann" <b-fuhrmann-usenet mplsfridayDELETEskate.com> wrote:

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Post by B Fuhrmann
Ignore the stepping stop and snow plow. They are some of the
least effective methods of slowing, slightly better than standing
up with your arms out.
I have had to help (IE they come up behind me and I brake for both
people) with even experianced skaters who do a stepping stop.
Anyone who skates should know already, but of course that is a troll.
--
Big front wheel skates (144 mm front wheel, four 80 mm trailing
wheels). Great for street skating, especially when you do not always
know the terrain.
Post by B Fuhrmann
---
Work on your skills and become one of the people that other skaters look at
and say "he can skate anywhere".
--
Bill Fuhrmann
P.S. If you are ever in the Minneapolis - St. Paul area, feel free to skate
with our groups.
www.SkateMinnesota.org
www.SkateTwinCities.com
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inlina
2009-05-05 09:22:01 UTC
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On May 5, 1:38 am, "B Fuhrmann" <b-fuhrmann-
Post by B Fuhrmann
Do you have a heel brake or a good reason to ditch it?
One point I will generally agree with Bill on. If you don't have a
good reason to ditch the heel brake and you are a beginner, then keep
it on there. I recommend that you do not skate brakeless until you
have two other solid stopping methods down (T-stop, powerslide, lunge/
hockey stop).
Post by B Fuhrmann
Ignore the people who say you cannot do crossovers with a brake.  I have
13.5" frames and can do them with the brake on the skates.
There is no doubt you can cross over with a long frame and a heel
brake, but it simply isn't as efficient as not having a heel brake.
Also, even experienced skaters have admitted to getting tripped up on
their heel brake from time to time.
Post by B Fuhrmann
Ignore the stepping stop and snow plow.  They are some of the least
effective methods of slowing, slightly better than standing up with your
arms out.
I have had to help (IE they come up behind me and I brake for both people)
with even experianced skaters who do a stepping stop.
The stepping stop may not be as effective as other measures, but we
are talking speed control. The steping stop offers a level of speed
control without wheel wear or the use of a heel brake. Suggesting it
should be ignored is silly.

CG
David Richfield
2009-05-20 10:12:48 UTC
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Thanks for the advice and support, guys!

I ditched the heel brake before I moved into a new area. I didn't have
experience with hills back then, and never thought I'd ever use it.
Maybe next time I buy skates I'll keep the heel brake, because brake
pads are somewhat cheaper than wheels. :-)

Anyway, it's not so bad now: When there are no cars on the road, I can
keep my speed under control with slalom quite easily, and when the
cars arrive, I keep the speed under control by dragging my wheels
(sort of T-stop style but less aggressively), being careful to
alternate feet and to keep the pressure distributed across all the
wheels to reduce wear, and keeping the foot as vertical as possible so
that I don't make the wheels wear skew too quickly. By keeping my
speed under control on the downhills, I'm always able to avoid trouble
by hopping onto a sidewalk, doing an emergency skid turn, or just
braking hard with a T-stop. I always wear the helmet just in case,
though. It only takes one slip, and the doctors don't yet know how to
fix brains.

I've seen one video of the stepping stop on youtube, but I've never
tried it. If it really does help for speed control without serious
wheel wear, I'll have to learn it.

This last month or two has been educational, and I'm sort of lucky
that the education has been so cheap... I really like the hills on my
commute: in the morning they're great exercise, and in the afternoon
they're great fun.

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